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Tapper
We're live from Georgia, a key battleground state in the race for the White House, in just moments, the current US president. We'll debate the former US president as their party's presumptive nominees, a first in American history. We wanna welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world to our studios in Atlanta. This is the CNN presidential debate.

Bush
This debate is being produced by CNN and is coming to you live on CNN, CNN International, CNN dot Tom, CNN Max and CNN Espanol. This is a pivotal moment between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump in their rematch for the nation's highest office. Each will make his case to the American people with just over four months until Election Day. Good evening. I'm Dana Bash, anchor of CNN's Inside Politics and co anchor of state of.

Tapper
The union. I'm Jake Tapper, anchor of CNN's the lead and co anchor of state of the Union. Dana and I will co moderate this evening. Our job is to facilitate a debate between the two candidates tonight. Before we introduce them, we want to share the rules of the debate with the audience at home. Former President Trump will be on the left side of the screen. President Biden will be appearing on the right. A coin toss determined their positions. Each candidate will have two minutes to answer a question and one minute each for responses and rebuttals. An additional minute for follow up. Clarification or response is at the moderator's discretion.

Bush
When it's time for our candidate to speak, his microphone will be turned on and his opponent's microphone will be turned off. Should a candidate interrupt when his microphone is muted, he will be difficult to understand for viewers at home. At the end of the debate, each candidate will get two minutes for closing statements. There is no studio audience tonight. Pre written notes, props or contact with campaign staff are not permitted during the debate. By accepting our invitation to debate, both candidates and their campaigns agreed to accept these rules.

Tapper
Now please welcome the 46 president of the United States, Joe Biden. Oh, sorry.

Speaker 3
Thank you.

Tapper
And please welcome the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

Tapper
Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. Let's begin the debate and let's start with the issue that voters consistently say is their top concern, the economy. President Biden, inflation has slowed, but prices remain high. Since you took office, the price of essentials has increased. For example, a basket of groceries that cost a hundred dollars then now costs more than $120 and typical home prices have jumped more than 30%. What do you say to voters who feel they are worse off under your presidency than they were under President Trump?

Biden
We gotta take a look at what I was left when I became president. What Mister Trump loved me. We had an economy that was in freefall. The pandemic was so badly handled, many people were dying. All he said was, is not that serious. Just inject a little bleach in your arm to be alright.

Biden
The economy collapsed. There were no jobs. Unemployment rate rose to 15%. It was terrible. And so what we had to do is try to put things back together again. And that's exactly what we began to do. We created 15,000 new jobs. We brought out in the position where we have 800,000 new manufacturing jobs, but there's more to be done. Working class people are still in trouble. I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania. I come of household where the kitchen tables, things weren't able to be met during the month was a problem. Press of eggs, the price of gas, the price of housing, the price of a whole range of things. That's why I'm working so hard to make sure I deal with those problems and we're gonna make sure that we reduce the price of housing. We're gonna make sure we build 2 million new units. We're gonna make sure we cap rents so corporate greed can't take over the combination. But I was left with the corporate greed.

Biden
The reason why I read this problem right now. In addition to that, we're in a situation where if you had to take a look at all that was done in his administration, he didn't do much at all by the time he left or things weren't chaos through literally chaos. And so we put things back together. We created, I said those jobs, we make sure we had a situation where we now we brought down the price of prescription drugs, which is a major issue for many people, to $15 for a incident shot as opposed to $400. No senior has to pay more than $200 for any drug. All the drugs they conclude beginning next year. And the situation is making, and we're going to make that available to everybody, to all Americans. So we're working to bring down the price of around the kitchen table and that's we're gonna get done.

Tapper
Thank you, President Trump.

Trump
We have the greatest economy in the history of our country and we have never done so well. Everybody was amazed by, and other countries were copying us. We got hit with Covid. And when we did, we spent the money necessary so we wouldn't end up in a Great Depression the likes of which we had in 1929 by the time we finished. So we did a great job. We got a lot of credit for the economy, a lot of credit for the military and no wars and so many other things. Everything was rocking good. But the thing we never got the credit for and we should have, is getting us out of that covid mess. He created mandates that was a disaster for our country. But other than that, we had given them back a country where the stock market actually was higher than pre covid and nobody thought that was even possible. The only jobs he created are for illegal immigrants and bounce back jobs, a bounce back from the Covid. He has not done a good job. He's done a poor job in inflation's killing our country. It is absolutely killing us.

Tapper
Thank you, President Biden.

Biden
Well, look, the greatest economy in the world. He's the only one who thinks that. I think, I don't know anybody else who thinks he's the greatest economy in the world. And, you know, the fact of the matter is that we plan ourselves in a situation where his con, his economy, he rewarded the wealthy. He had the largest tax cut in American history, $2 trillion. He raised a deficit larger than any president has in any one term. He's the only president other than Herbert Hoover who's had lost more jobs than he had when he began.

Biden
Since Herbert Hoover. The idea that he did something that was significant and the military, you know, when he was president, they were still killing people in Afghanistan. He didn't do anything about that when he was present. We were still found ourselves in a position where you had a notion that we were this safe country. Truth is, I'm the only president this century that doesn't have any, this decade that none of any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did.

Tapper
President Trump. I wanna follow up if I can. You wanna let.

Trump
Me respond to him?

Tapper
Well, I'm gonna ask you a follow up. You can do whatever you want with the minute that we give you. I wanna follow up. You wanna impose a 10% tariff on all goods coming into the US how will you ensure that that doesn't drive prices even higher? Not gonna.

Trump
Drive them higher, it's just gonna cause countries that have been ripping us off for years, like China and many others, in all fairness to China, it's gonna just force them to pay us a lot of money, reduce our deficit tremendously and give us a lot of power for other things.

Trump
But he would, he made a statement. The only thing he was right about is I gave you the largest tax cut in history. I also gave you the largest regulation cut in history. That's why we had all the jobs. And the jobs went down and then they bounce back and he's taking credit for bounce back jobs. You can't do that.

Trump
He also said he inherited 9% inflation. Now he inherited almost no inflation and it stayed that way for 14 months. And then it blew up under his leadership because they spent money like a bunch of people that didn't know what they were doing. And they don't know what they were doing. It was the worst, probably the worst administration and history there's never been. And as far as Afghanistan is concerned, I was getting out of Afghanistan, but we're getting out with dignity, with strength, with power. He got out. It was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country's life.

Tapper
President Trump, over the last eight years, under both of your administrations, the national debt soared to record highs. And according to a new non partisan analysis, President Trump, your administration approved $8.4 trillion in new debt. Well, so far, President Biden, you've approved $4.3 trillion in new debt. So, former President Trump, many of the tax cuts that you signed into law are set to expire next year. You want to extend them and go even further, you say, with the US facing trillion dollar deficits and record debt, why should top earners and corporations pay even less in taxes than they do now?

Trump
Cuz the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we've ever seen just prior to Covid and even after Covid, it was so strong that we're able to get through Covid much better than just about any other country. But we spurred that tax spirit. Now when we cut the taxes, as an example, the corporate tax was cut down to 21% from 39% plus. Beyond that, we took in more revenue with much less tax and companies were bringing back trillions of dollars back into our country. The country was going like never before and we were ready to start paying down debt. We're ready start using the liquid gold right under our feet, the oil and gas right under our feet. We were going to have something that nobody else has had. We got hit with Covid. We did a lot to fix it. I gave him an unbelievable situation with all of the therapeutics and all of the things that we came up with, we gave him something great. Remember, more people died under his administration, even though we had largely fixed it, more people died under his administration than our administration. And we were right in the middle of it. Something which a lot of people don't like to talk about, but he had far more people dying in his administration. He did the mandate, which is a disaster, mandating it. The vaccine went out. He did a mandate on the vaccine, which is the thing that people most objected to about the vaccine. And he did a very poor job, just a very poor job. And I will tell you, not only poor there, but throughout the entire world, we're no longer respected as a country. They don't respect our leadership. They don't respect the United States anymore. We're like a Third world leadership. Between weaponization of his election, trying to go after his political opponent, all of the things he's done, we've become like a third world nation. And it's a shame the damage he's done to our country. And I'd love to ask him and will why he allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails and mental institutions to come into our country and destroy our country.

Tapper
President Trump, we will get to immigration later in this block. President Biden, I want to give you an opportunity to respond to this question about the national channel debt.

Biden
He had the largest national debt of any president for your period, number one. Number two, he got 2 trillion dollar tax cut, benefited the very wealthy. What I'm gonna do is fix the taxes. And for example, we have 1,000 trillionaires in America. I mean, billionaires in America. And what's happening? They're in a situation where they, in fact pay 8.2% taxes. If they just pay 24%,25%, either one of those numbers. They've raised $500 million, billion dollars, I should say, in a ten year period. We'd be able to. Right. Wipe out his debt. We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, childcare, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our healthcare system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the Covid, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with work. If we finally beat Medicare.

Tapper
Thank you, president Biden. President Trump.

Trump
Who is right, he did beat Medicare. He beat it to death. And he's destroying Medicare because all of these people are coming in, they're putting them on Medicare, they're putting them on Social Security. They're gonna destroy Social Security. This man is going to single handedly destroy Social Security. These millions and millions of people coming in, they're trying to put them on Social Security. He will wipe out Social Security. He will wipe out Medicare. So he was right in the way he finished that sentence.

Trump
And it's a shame what's happened to our country in the last four years is not to be believed that foreign countries. I'm friends with a lot of people. They cannot believe what happened to the United States of America. We're no longer respected. They don't like us. We give them everything they want and they think we're stupid. They think we're very stupid people, what we're doing for other countries, and they do nothing for us. What this man has done is absolutely criminal.

Tapper
Thank you, President Trump. Dana.

Bush
This is the first presidential election since the Supreme Court overturned Rovi Wade. This morning, the court ruled on yet another abortion case, temporarily allowing emergency abortions to continue in Idaho despite that state's restrictive ban. Former President Trump, you take credit for the decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, which returned the issue of abortion to the states. Correct. However, the federal government still plays a role in whether or not women have access to abortion pills. They're used in about two thirds of all abortions. As president, would you block abortion medication?

Trump
First of all, the Supreme Court just approved the abortion Bill and I agree with their decision to have done that and I will not block it. And if you look at this whole question that you're asking, a complex but not really complex, 51 years ago, he had Roe v. Wade and everybody wanted to get it back to the states. Everybody without exception, Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives, everybody wanted to back religious leaders. And what I did is I put three great Supreme Court justices on the court, and they happen to vote in favor of killing Roe v. Wade and moving it back to the States. This is something that everybody wanted. Now, 10 years ago or so, they started talking about how many weeks and how many this getting into other things. But every legal scholar throughout the world, the most respected, wanted it brought back to the states. I did that.

Trump
Now the states are working it out. If you look at Ohio, it was a decision that was an end result that was a little bit more Liberal than you would have thought. Kansas, I would say the same thing. Texas is different. Florida is different. But they're all making their own decisions right now. And right now, the states control it. That's the vote of the people. Like Ronald Reagan.

Trump
I believe in the exceptions. I am a person that believes, and frankly, I think it's important to believe in the exception. Some people, you have to follow your heart. Some people don't believe in that. But I believe in the exceptions for, and the life of the mother. I think it's very important. Some people don't follow your heart, but you have to get elected also. And because that has to do with other things, you gotta get elected. The problem they have is they're radical because they will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month, and even after birth. If you look at the former governor Virginia, he was willing to do this. He said we'll put the baby aside and we'll determine what we do with the baby, meaning we'll kill the baby. What happened is we brought it back to the States and the country is now coming together on this issue. It's been a great thing.

Bush
Thank you, President Biden.

Biden
It's been a terrible thing what you've done. The fact is that the vast majority of constitutional scholars support a row when it was decided. Support row. And that was, that's, this idea that they were all against it is just ridiculous. And this is the guy who says the state should be able to have it. We're at a state where in six weeks you don't even know whether you're pregnant or not, but you cannot see a doctor, have your. And have him decide on what your circumstances are, whether you need help. The idea that states are able to do this is a little like saying we're gonna turn civil rights back to the states, that each state have a different rule. Look, there's so many young women who have been, including a young woman who just was murdered and he went to the funeral. The idea that she was murdered by a, by an immigrant coming in to talk about that. But here's a deal. There's a lot of young women to be by their in laws, by their, by their spouses, brothers and sisters, by just, it's just ridiculous. And they can do nothing about it and then try to rest them on the cross State Line. Thank you.

Trump
There have been many young women murdered by the same people he allows to come across our border. We have a border that's the most dangerous place anywhere in the world, consider the most dangerous place anywhere in the world. And he opened it up and these killers are coming into our country and they are and killing women. And it's a terrible thing.

Trump
As far as the abortion is concerned, it is now back with the states. The states are voting in many cases, frankly, a very Liberal decision. In many cases, it's the opposite. But they're voting and it's bringing it back to the vote of the people, which is what everybody wanted, including the founders, if they knew about this issue, which frankly, they didn't, but they would have. Everybody wanted brought back. Ronald Reagan wanted it brought back. He wasn't able to get it. Everybody wanted to brought back and many presidents had tried to get it back. I was the one to do it. And again, this gives it the vote of the people. And that's where they wanted it. Every legal scholar wanted it that way.

Bush
Staying on the topic of abortion, President Biden. Seven states. I'll let you do that. This is the same topic. Seven states have no legal restrictions on how far into a pregnancy a woman can obtain an abortion. Do you support any legal limits on how late a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy?

Biden
I support row v. Wade, which had three trimesters. The first time is between the woman and the doctor. Second time is between the doctor and an extreme situation. The third time is between the doctor. I mean, between the woman in the state.

Biden
The idea that the politicians, they, they, that the founders want the politicians to be the ones making decisions about woman's health is ridiculous. That's the last, no policy should be making that decision. A doctor should be making those decisions. That's how it should be run. That's what you're gonna do. And if I'm electric, I'm gonna restore row v Wade.

Trump
So that means he can take the life of the baby in the 9th month and even after birth because some states, Democrat run, take it after birth. Again, the governor, former governor of Virginia put the baby down. That we decide what to do with it. So he's in, he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. Nobody wants that to happen. Democrat or Republican. Nobody wants it to happen.

Biden
That is simply not true. The Roby way does not provide for that. That's not the circumstance. Only woman's life is in danger. She's gonna die. That's the only circumstance. Once that can happen. But we are not for late term abortion, period.

Trump
Under row v. Wade, you have late term abortion. You can do whatever you want. Depending on the state, you can do whatever you want. We don't think that's a good thing. We think it's a radical thing. We think the Democrats are the radicals, not the Republican. For.

Biden
51 years, that was a law, 51 years Constance Scholarship said it was the right way to go. 51 years. And it was taken away because this guy, which can very conservative members on the Supreme Court, he takes credit for taking it away. What's he gonna do? In fact, if they met MAGA Republicans, he gets elected and the maggary publicans control the Congress and they pass a universal ban on abortion, period, across the board at six weeks or seven or eight or 10 weeks, something very conservative if you're gonna sign that Bill, I'll veto it. He'll sign it.

Bush
Thank you.

Tapper
Let's turn out to the issue of immigration and border security. President Biden, a record number of migrants have illegally crossed the southern border on your watch, overwhelming border states and overburdening cities such as New York and Chicago, and in some cases, causing real safety and security concerns. Given that, why should voters trust you to solve this crisis?

Biden
Because we work very hard to get a bipartisan agreement that not only change all of that and made sure that we are in a situation where you had no circumstance where they could come across the border with the number of people border police there are now, we significantly increase the number of asylum officer, significant. By the way, the Border Patrolman endorsed me, endorsed my position. In addition to that, we find ourselves in a situation where when he was present, he was taking, separating babies from their mothers, put him in cages, making sure they were, the families were separated. That's not the right way to go. What I've done since, I've changed the law. What's happened? I've changed it in a way that now you're in a situation where there are 40% fewer people coming across the border legally. That's better than he left office. And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we can do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers.

Tapper
President Trump.

Trump
I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Look, we had the safest border in the history of our country. The board. All he had to do is leave it. All he had to do is leave it. He decided to open up our border, open up our country to people that are from prisons, people that are from mental institutions. In Sanus Island Terrace, we're the largest number of terrorists coming into our country right now. All terrorists all over the world, not just in South America, all over the world. They come from the Middle East, everywhere. All over the world they're pouring in. And this guy just left it open. And he didn't need legislation because I didn't have legislation. I said close the border. We had the safest border in history in that final couple of months of my presidency. We had, according to Border Patrol, who is great, and by the way, who endorsed me for president. But I won't say that. But they endorse me for president, Brandon. Just speak to him. But look, we had the safest border in history. Now we have the worst border in history. There's never been anything like it. And people are dying all over the place, including the people that are coming up in President.

Tapper
Trump, President Biden.

Biden
The only terrorist who've done anything across the border is one who came along and killed three united administration, kill an al Qaeda person coming in and his administration kill three American soldiers. That's the only terrorist that there. I'm not saying it. And no terrorist ever got through with the idea they're emptying their prisons. We're welcoming these people as simply not to. There's no data to support what he said. Once again, he's exaggerating his line.

Tapper
President Trump staying on the topic of immigration, you've said that you're gonna carry out, quote, the largest domestic deportation operation in American history, unquote. Does that mean that you will deport every undocumented immigrant in America, including those who have jobs, including those who spouses our citizens and including those who have lived here for decades. And if so, how will you do it?

Trump
Just one second. He said we kill three people. The people we killed are al Baghdadi and Salamani, the two greatest terrors, biggest terrorists anywhere in the world. And it had a huge impact on everything, not just border, on everything. He's the one to kill people with a bad water, including hundreds of thousands of people dying and also killing our citizens when they come in. We are living right now in a rats nest. They're killing our people in New York, in California, and every state in the union because we don't have borders anymore. Every state is now a border. And because of his ridiculous, insane and very stupid policies, people are coming in and they're killing our citizens at a level that we've never said. We call it migrant crime. I call it Biden migrant crime. They're killing our citizens at a level that we've never seen before.

Trump
And you're reading it like these three incredible young girls over the last few days. One of them, I just spoke to the mother and he just had the funeral for this girl, 12 years old. This is horrible what's taken place in our country. We're literally an uncivilized country now. He doesn't want it to be. He just doesn't know. He opened the borders. Nobody's ever seen anything like. And we have to get a lot of these people out and we have to get them out fast because they're gonna destroy our country.

Trump
Just take a look at where they're living, in luxury hotels in New York City and other places. Our veterans are on the street. They're dying because he doesn't care about our veterans. He doesn't care. He doesn't like the military at all and he doesn't care about our veterans. Nobody been worse. I had the highest approval rating for veterans taking care of the VA. He is the worst. He's gotten rid of all the things that I approve, choice that I got through Congress, all of the different things I approve, they abandoned. We had by far the highest and now it's down in less than half because he's done all these great things that we did. And I think he did it just because I approved it, which is crazy. But he has killed so many people at our border by allowing all of these people to come in. President Biden, very sad day.

Tapper
In America. President Biden, you have the mic.

Biden
Every single thing he said is a lie, every single one. For example, veterans are a hell of a lot better off since I pack past the pack that 1 million of them now have insurance and their families have it because what happened, whether it was Asian orange or burned piss, they're all being covered now. And he oppose, his crew group oppose that. We're also in a situation where we have great respect for veterans. My son spent a year in Iraq, maybe went next to one of those burnprints, came back with stage 4 glioblastoma. I was recently in France for d day, and I spoke to all about those heroes that died. I went to the World War 2 cemetery. Where will one senator refuse to go to? He was standing with his four star general and he told me, said, I don't want to go in there because they're much a loser and . My son was not a loser, was not a . You're the . You're the loser.

Tapper
President Trump.

Trump
First of all, that was a made up quote. and losers. They made it up. It was in a third rate magazine that's failing like many of these magazines. He made that up. He put it in commercials. We've notified him. We had 19 people that said I didn't say it. And think of this, who would say I'm at a cemetery or I'm talking about our veterans cuz nobody's taking better care. I'm so glad this came up and he brought it up. There's nobody that's taken better care of our soldiers than I have to think that I would in front of generals and others say and losers. We have 19 people that said it was never said by me. It was made up by him, just like Russia was made up, just like the 51 intelligence agents are made up, just like the new thing with the 16 economists are talking. It's the same thing, 51 intelligence agents said that the laptop was Russia disinformation. It wasn't. That came from his son, hunter. It wasn't Russia disinformation. He made up the and losers. So he should apologize to me right now.

Biden
Or Star General stand your side was on your staff who said you said it, period. That's No. 1. And No. 2, the idea that I have to apologize to you for anything along the line, we've done more for veterans than any president has in American history. And they now are, in their family. The only sacred obligation we have is a country is to care for our veterans when they come home and their families and equip them when they go to war. That's what we're doing. That's what the VA is doing now. They're doing more for veterans than ever before in our history.

Tapper
All right, thank you so much.

Bush
Let's move to the topic of foreign policy. I want to begin with Russia's war against Ukraine, which is now in its third year. Former President Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he'll only end this war if Russia keeps the Ukrainian territory it is already claimed and Ukraine abandons its bid to join NATO. Are Putin's terms acceptable to you?

Trump
First of all, our veterans and our soldiers can't stand this guy. They can't stand him. They think he's the worst commander in chief of. That's what you call him, that we've ever had. They can't stand him. So let's get that straight. And they like me more than just about any of them. And that's based on every single bit of information. As far as Russia and Ukraine, if we had a real president, the president that knew that was respect did by Putin, he would have never invaded Ukraine. A lot of people are dead right now, much more than people know. You know, they talk about numbers. You can double those numbers, maybe triple those numbers. He did nothing to stop it. In fact, I think he encouraged Russia from going in. I tell you what happened. He was so bad with Afghanistan.

Trump
It was such a horrible embarrassment, most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, that when Putin watched that and he saw the incompetence, that he should have fired those generals like I fired the one that you mentioned. And so he's got no love loss, but he should have fired those generals. No general got fired for the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, Afghanistan, where we left billions of dollars of equipment behind. We lost 13 beautiful soldiers and 38 soldiers were obliterated. And by the way, we left people behind, too. We left American citizens behind.

Trump
When Putin saw that, he said, you know what, I think we're gonna go in and maybe take my, this is was his dream. I talk to him about his dream. The difference is he never would have invaded Ukraine. Never. It just like Israel would have never been invaded in a million years by Hamas. You know why? Because Iran was broke with me. I wouldn't let anybody do business with him. They ran out of money. They were broke. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money for anything. No money for terror. That's why you had no terror at all during my administration. This place, the whole world is blowing up under him.

Bush
President Biden.

Biden
I've never heard so much monarchy in my whole life. Look, the fact the matter is that we're in a situation where, let's take the last point first. Iran attacked American troops, kill, cause brain damage for a number of these troops and he did nothing about it. Recent. Not when he was president. There, they attacked. He said they're just having headaches. That's all it is. But he didn't do a thing when the attack took place, number one. Number two, we got over 100,000 Americans and others out of Afghanistan during that airlift. Number three, we found ourselves in a situation where if you take a look at what Trump did in Ukraine, he's, this guy told Ukraine, he told Trump, do whatever you want. And that's exactly what Trump did to put and encourage him, do whatever you want. And he went in and listen to what he said when he went in. He was gonna take key even five days, remember? Because it's part of the old Soviet Union. That's what he wanted to reestablish, Keith, and he, in fact, didn't do it at all. He didn't, wouldn't able to get it done. And they've lost over, they've lost thousands and thousands of troops, 500,000 troops.

Bush
President Trump. I never said yeah for one minute. I just wanna go back to my original question, which is, are Putin's terms acceptable to you, keeping the territory?

Trump
No, they're not acceptable. But look, this is a war that never should have started. If we had a leader in this war, he let everybody along. He's given $200 billion now or more to Ukraine. He's given $200 billion. That's a lot of money. I don't think there's ever been anything like it. Every time that Zelensky comes to this country, he walks away with $60 billion. He's the greatest salesman ever. And I'm not knocking him. I'm not knocking anything. I'm only saying he's the money that we're spending on this war and we shouldn't be spending. It should have never happened.

Trump
I will have that war settled between Putin and Zelensky as president elect before I take office on January 20th. I'll have that war settled. People being killed so needlessly, so stupidly, and I will get it settled and I'll get it settled fast before I take office.

Bush
You haven't had it.

Biden
The fact is that Putin is a war criminal. He's killed thousands and thousands of people. And he has made one thing clear, he wants to reestablish what was part of the Soviet empire, not just a piece. He wants all of Ukraine. That's what he wants. And then you think he'll stop there? You think he'll stop when he, if he takes Ukraine? What do you think happens, the poll, what do you think about, what do you think happens to those NATO countries? And so if you want a war, you ought to find out what he's gonna do, because if, in fact, he does what he says and walks away, by the way, all that money we give Ukraine and from weapons we make here in the United States, we give them the weapons, not the money at this point. And then, and our NATO allies have produced as much funding for Ukraine as we have. That's why is, that's why we're strong.

Bush
Thank you. Moving on to the Middle East. In October, Hamas attacked Israel, killing more than 1,000 people and taking hundreds of hostages. Among those held and thought to still be alive are five Americans. Israel's response has killed thousands of Palestinians and created a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. President Biden, you've put forward a proposal to resolve this conflict, but so far, Hamas has not released the remaining hostages in Israel is continuing its military offensive in Gaza. So what additional leverage will you use to get Hamas and Israel to end the war? You have two minutes.

Biden
Number one, everyone from the United Nations Security Council straight through the G7 to the Israelis and Netanyam self have endorsed the planet put forward, endorse the plan I put forward, which has three stages to it. The first stages, treat the hostages for a ceasefire. Second phase is a ceasefire with additional conditions. The third phase is no, the end of the war. The only one who wants the word to continue is Hamas, No. 1. They're the only one stand out.

Biden
We're still pushing hard from, to get them to accept in the meantime what's happened in Israel. We're trying to say the only thing I've denied Israel was 2,000 pound bombs. They don't work very well in populated areas. They kill a lot innocent people. We're providing issue with all the weapons they need and when they need them. And by the way, I'm the guy that organized the world against Iran when they had a full blown in a kind of holistic missile attack on Israel, no one was hurt. No one Israeli was accidentally killed and it is stopped. We saved Israel. We are the biggest producer of support for Israel of anyone in the world.

Biden
And so that's, there are two different things. Hamas cannot be allowed to be continued. We continue to send our experts and our intelligence people as to how they can get Hamas like we did Ben Laden. You don't have to do it. And by the way, they've been greatly weaken, Thomas, greatly weaken. And they should be eliminated. But you've got to be careful for what? Using certain weapons among population centers.

Trump
Just going back to Ukraine for one second, we have an ocean separating us. The European nations together have spent 100 billion or maybe more than that, less than us. Why doesn't he call them? So you got to put up your money like I did with NATO. I got them to put up hundreds of billions of dollars. A secretary general of NATO said Trump did the most incredible job I've ever seen. You wouldn't, they wouldn't have any, they were going out of business. We were spending almost 100% of the money was, it was paid by us. He didn't do that. He's getting all. You gotta ask these people to put up the money. We're over $100 billion more spent and it has a bigger impact on them because of location. Because we have a notion in between. You gotta ask him. As far as Israel and Hamas, Israel is the one that wants good. He said the only one that wants to keep going is Hamas. Actually, Israel is the one and you should let him go and let him finish his job. He doesn't want to do it. He's become like a Palestinian, but they don't like him because he's a very bad Palestinian. He's a weak one.

Bush
President Biden, do you have a minute?

Biden
I've never heard so much foolish. This the guy who wants to get out of NATO. Are you gonna stay in NATO? He's gonna pull out a NATO. The idea that we have our strength lies in our alliances as well. It may be a big ocean, but whoever ever able to avoid a war in it and Europe, a major war in Europe, what happens if, in fact, you have Putin continue to go into NATO? We have an Article 5 agreement, attack one of the attack on all. You wanna start the nuclear war.

Biden
He keeps talking about, go ahead, let Putin go in and control Ukraine and then move on to Poland and other places, see what happens then. He has no idea what telly's talking about. And by the way, I got 50 other nations around the world to support Ukraine, including Japan and South Korea, because they understand that this was, this kind of dislocation as a serious threat to the whole world peace. No major war in Europe has ever been able to be contained. Just to Europe.

Bush
President Trump, just to follow up, would you support the creation of an independent Palestinian state in order to achieve peace in the region?

Trump
I'd have to see. But before we do that, the problem we have is that we spend all the money so they kill us on trade. I made great trade deals with the European nations because if you add them up, they're about the same size economically. Their economy is about the same size as the United States. And they were re no cars. No, they don't want anything that we have. But we're supposed to take their cars, their food, their everything, their agriculture. I change that. But the big thing I change is they don't wanna pay. And the only reason that he can play games with NATO is because I got them to put up hundreds of billions of dollars.

Trump
I said, and he's right about this, I said, no, I'm not gonna support NATO if you don't pay. They ask me that question, would you guard us against Russia? At a very secret meeting of the 28 states at that time, nations at that time. And I said, no, if you don't pay, I won't do that. And you know what happened? Billions and billions of dollars came flowing in the next day and the next month. But now we're in the same position. We're paying everybody's bills.

Tapper
Let's turn to the issue of democracy, a former President Trump, I wanna ask you about January 6,2021. After you rallied your supporters that day, some of them stormed the capital to stop the constitutionally mandated counting of elect Toro votes. As president, you swore an oath to, quote, preserve, protect and defend, unquote, the Constitution. What do you say to voters who believe that you violated that oath through your actions and in action on January 6, and worry that you'll do it again. Why don't.

Trump
Think too many believe that? And let me tell you about January 6. On January 6th, we had a great border, nobody coming through, very few on January 6, we were energy independent. On January 6, we had the lowest taxes ever. We had the lowest regulations ever. On January 6th, we respected, all over the world we respected. And then he comes in and we're now left at, we're like a bunch of stupid people. That what happened to the United States reputation under this man's leadership is horrible, including weaponization, which I'm sure at some point you'll be talking about where he goes after his political opponent cuz he can't beat him fair and square.

Tapper
You have 80 seconds left. My question was, what do you say to those voters who believe that you violated your constitutional oath through your actions, in an action on January 6,2021, and worry that you'll do it.

Trump
Again. Well, I didn't say that to anybody. I said peacefully and patriotically. And Nancy Pelosi, if you just watched the news from two days ago, on tape to her daughter, who is a documentary filmmaker, they say. But she's saying, oh, no, it's my responsibility. I was responsible for this because I offered her 10,000 soldiers or National Guard and she turned him down. And the mayor of. In writing, by the way. The mayor in writing turned it down. The mayor of DC, they turned it down. I offered 10,000 because I could see I had virtually nothing to do. They asked me to go make a speech. I could see what was happening. Everybody was saying they're gonna be there on January 6. They're gonna be there. And I said, you know what? There's a lot of people coming. You could feel it, too. And you could feel it. And I said they would have some National Guard or whatever. And I offered it to her. And she now admits that she turned it down. And it was the same day she was, I don't know. He can't be very happy with the daughter cuz it made her into a liar. She said, I take full responsibility for January 6th.

Tapper
President Biden.

Biden
Look, he encouraged those folks above in capital No. 1. I sat in a dining room off the Oval Office. He sat there for three hours watching, begging, being begged by his vice president and a number of his colleagues in the Republican side as well to do something, call for stop, to end it. Instead, he talked, they've talked about he should be patrons and great patrons of America. In fact, he says he'll now forgive them for what they've done. He'll, they've been convicted. He says he wants to commute their sentences and say that, no, he went to every single court in a nation. I don't know how many cases, scores the cases, including the Supreme Court. And they said, no, this guy is responsible for doing what is being and was done. He did do a thing. And these people should be in jail and they should be the ones are being held accountable. And he wants to let them all out. And now he says that he loses again. Such a whiner that he is, that there could be a bloodbath.

Tapper
Thank you, President Biden, President Trump.

Trump
What they've done to some people that are so innocent, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. What you have done, how you've destroyed the lives of so many people when they rip down Portland, when they rip down many other cities. You go to Minnesota, Minneapolis, what they've done there with the fires all over the city. If I didn't bring in the National Guard, that city would have been destroyed when you look at all of the. They took over big chunks of Seattle. I was all set to bring in the National Guard. They heard that. They saw them coming and they left immediately. What he said about this whole subject is so off peacefully Patriot. One of the thing. The unselect committee, which is basically two horrible Republicans that are all gone now, out of office, and Democrats, all Democrats, they destroyed and deleted all of the information they found because they found out we were right. And they deleted and destroyed all of the information they should go to jail for that. If a Republican did that, they go to. Thank.

Tapper
You, President Trump. President Biden, I want to give you a minute.

Biden
The only person at this stage is a convicted felon, this man I'm looking at right now. And the fact of the matter is, he isn't, he's, what he's telling you is simply not true. The fact is that there was no effort on his part to stop what was going on up in Capital Hill. And all those people, every one of those who convicted, discerned over desk, turn them over statues. The idea that those people are patriots, come on.

Biden
When I ask him the first two debates we had, the debates we had first time around, I said, will you denounce the proud boy? He said, no, I'll tell them to stand by the idea. He's refusing it. Well, we denounce these guys. We denounce the people we're talking about now. You denounce the people, attack that capital. What are you gonna do?

Tapper
I'm gonna give you a minute, President Trump, for a follow up question I have after a jury convicted you of 34 felonies last month, you said if we elect did, you would, quote, have every right to go after, unquote, your political opponents. You just talked about members of the Select Committee on January 6th going to jail. Your main political opponent is standing on stage with you tonight. Can you clarify exactly what it means about you feeling you have every right to go after your political opponents?

Trump
Well, I said my retribution is going to be success. We're gonna make this country successful again. Cuz right now it's a failing nation. My retribution is going to be success.

Trump
But when he talks about a convicted felon, his son is a convicted felon at a very high level. His son is convicted, gonna be convicted probably numerous other times, should have been convicted before. But his Justice Department let the statute of limitations lapse. And the most important things. But he could be a convicted fellow as soon as he gets out of office, Joe. Could be a convicted fellow with all of the things that he's done. Horrible things, all of the death caused at the border, telling the Ukrainian people that we're gonna want a billion dollars. You can change the prosecutor, otherwise you're not getting $1 billion. If I ever said that, that's quid pro quo, that we're not going to do anything, we're not going to give you $1 billion unless you change, you prosecute having to do with the sun. This man is a criminal. This man, you're lucky. I did nothing wrong. We'd have a system that was rigged and disgusting. I did nothing wrong.

Tapper
Thank you, President Trump. President Biden, you have said, I'm coming right to you, sir. You, well, you wanna respond, go ahead. I'll give you a minute to respond.

Biden
The idea that I did anything wrong relative to what you're talking about is outrageous. It's simply a lie, number one. Number two, the idea that you have a right to seek retribution against any American just because you're president is wrong, is simply wrong. No presidents ever spoken like that before. No present in our history is spoken like that before. No. 3, the crimes you are still charged with, and think of all the civil panels you have. How many billions of dollars do you own? Civil panels for molesting a woman in public, for doing a whole range of things, of having sex with a porn star on the night and while your wife was pregnant. I mean, what are you talking about? You have the morals of an alley cat.

Tapper
Give an answer.

Trump
I didn't have sex with the Porn Star, No. 1. No. 2, that was a case that was started and move. They moved a high ranking official, a DOJ, into the Manhattan DA's office to start that case. That case is gonna be appealed in one. We had a very terrible judge, a horrible judge, Democrat. The prosecutor were all high ranking Democrats appointed people and the, both the civil and the criminal. He basically went after his political opponent because he thought it was gonna damage me. But when the public found out about these cases, cuz they understand it better than he does. He has no idea what these cases are. But what he. That when they found out about these cases, you know what they did? My poll numbers went up, way up. You know that cuz you're reporting it. And we took in more money in the last two weeks than we've ever taken in the history of any campaign. I don't think any campaign has ever taken. Hundreds of millions of dollars came pouring in because the public knows it's a scam and it's a guy that's after his political opponent cuz he can't win fair and square.

Tapper
Thank you, President Trump. President Biden, you have said, quote, Donald Trump and his mega Republicans are determined to destroy American democracy. Do you believe that the tens of millions of Americans who are likely to vote for President Trump will be voting against American democracy.

Biden
The more they know about what he's done. Yes. The more they know about what he's done. And there's a lot more coming. He's got a lot of cases around the road coming out. He's got a whole range of issues he has to face. I don't know what the juries will do, but I knew and I do know he has a real problem. And so the fact that.

Biden
Could you ever think you hear any president say that, I'm gonna seek retribution? Do you ever hear any president say that? I thought hit by some good ideas what got me involved to run the first place? After my son and died, I decided in Iraq, because of Iraq. I said I wasn't gonna run again until I saw what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Biden
People coming out of the woods carrying swastikis on torches and singing the same arithmetic bio they sang when back in Germany. And what did, and a young woman got killed. I spoke to the mother. And she, they asked him, they said, what do you think of those people, the people who they wanted to get killed, want to try to stop it. And the ones he said, I think they're fine people on both sides. What American president would ever say Nazis coming out of fields carrying torches, singing the same arithmetic bio, carrying swastikas or find people.

Biden
This is the guy says Hitler's done some good things. I like to know what they are. The good things Hitler's done. That's what he said. This guy has no sense of American democracy.

Tapper
President Trump.

Trump
Jake, both of you know that, sir, has been totally wiped out because when you see the sentence, it said 100% exoneration on this. So he just keeps it going. He says he ran because of Charlotte's fate and ran because of Charlotte fell. He ran because it was his last chance at. He's not equipped to be president. You know it and I know it is ridiculous. We have a debate. We're trying to justify his presidency. His, without question, the worst president, the worst presidency in the history of our country. We shouldn't be having a debate about it. There's nothing to debate. He made up the Charlottesville story and you'll see it's debunked all over the place. Every anchor has the, every reasonable anchor has debunked it. And just the other day it came out where it was fully debunked. It's a nonsense story. He knows that. And he didn't run because of Charlottesville. He used that as an excuse to run.

Tapper
President Biden.

Biden
And debunk it happened. All you have to do is listen to what we said at the time. And the idea that somehow that's the only reason I ran, because I was worried a guy like this guy can get elected if he thought they were good people coming out of that all that forest. Carrie knows those woods. Carrie knows torches. And he didn't deserve to be president at all. And the idea that he's talking about all this being fabricated, we saw their own eyes. We saw it happen on January 6. We saw the people breaking through the windows. You saw people occupying his own vice president. Look, there's a reason why 40 of his 44 top cabinet officers refused endorsing. This time, his vice president hasn't endorsed in this time. So why? They know him well. They serve with him. Why are they not endorsing him?

Tapper
Thank you, President Biden. We're gonna be right back with more from the CNN presidential debate.

Bush
Welcome back to the CNN presidential debate live from Georgia. Let's talk about persistent challenges you both faced in your first terms and you'd certainly face again in a second term. President Biden, while black unemployment dropped to a record low under your presidency, black families still earn far less than white families. Black mothers are still three times more likely to die for pregnancy related causes. And black Americans are imprisoned at five times the rate of white Americans. What do you say to black voters who are disappointed that you haven't made more progress?

Biden
Technology, you made a lot of progress, No. 1. The fact of the matter is more small black businesses that have been started in any time in history. No. 2, the wages are black. They're black. Unemployment is the lowest level spend in a long time. No.3, we find in housing for black Americans and dealing with the segregation that exist among these corporate operations that collude to keep people out of their houses. And in addition to that, we find that the impact of, on the choice that black families have to make relative to childcare is incredibly difficult. When we did the first major piece of legislation in the past, I was able to reduce black childcare costs. I cut them in half and half. We got to make sure we provide for childcare cost. We gotta make sure because when you provide those childcare protections, you increase economic growth because more people can be in the job market. So there's more to be done, considerably more to be done, but we've done a great deal so far and I'm not letting up and they know it.

Bush
Do you have 49 seconds left? What do you say to black voters who are disappointed with the progress so far?

Biden
I say I don't blame them for being disappointed. Inflation is still hurting them badly. For example, I provided for the idea that any black family, first time home buyer should get a 10 thousand dollar tax credit to be able to buy their first home so they can get started. I made sure that we're in a situation where all those black families and those black individuals who provided, they had to take out student loans that were ballooning that a favor in gun gauge and nursing DOC and anything having to do with volunteerism, if they paid their bills for 10 years and their student debt, all the risks were given after 10 years, millions have benefited from that. And we're gonna do a whole lot more for black families.

Bush
Thank you, President Trump.

Trump
And he caused the inflation. He's blaming inflation and he's right. It's been very bad. He caused the inflation and it's killing black families and Hispanic families and just about everybody. It's killing people. They can't buy groceries anymore. They can't, you look at the cost of food where it's double and tripled and quadrupled. They can't live. They're not living anymore. He causes inflation. I gave him a country with no, essentially no inflation. It was perfect. It was so good. All you had to do is leave it alone. He destroyed it with his green new scam and all of the other, all this money that's being thrown out the window. He caused inflation as sure as you're sitting there. The fact is that his big kill on the black people is the millions of people that he's allowed to come in through the border. They're taking black jobs now. And it could be 18, it could be 19 and even 20 million people. They're taking black jobs and they're taking Hispanic jobs. And you haven't seen it yet, but you're gonna see something that's gonna be the worst in our history.

Bush
Thank you, President Biden.

Biden
There was no inflation when I became president. You know why? The economy was flat on its back, 50% unemployment. He decimated the economy. Absolutely decimated the economy. That's why there's no inflation at the time. There were no jobs.

Biden
We provided thousands of millions of jobs for individuals who are involved communities, including minority communities. We made sure that they have health insurance. We have covered with the ACA has increase. I made sure that there $8,000 per person in a family to get written off in healthcare. But this guy wants to eliminate that. They tried 50 times. He wants to get rid of the ACA again, and they're gonna try again. If they win, you find ourselves in a position where the idea that we're not doing any. I put more, we put more police on the street than any administration has. He wants to cut the cops. We're providing for equity and making sure people have a shot to make it. There's a lot going on. But in inflation, he caused it by his tremendous mount phases in the way handle the pandemic.

Bush
Thank you. Another persistent challenge is the climate crisis. 2023 was the hottest year in recorded history and communities across the country are confronting the devastating effects of extreme heat, intensifying wildfires, stronger hurricanes and rising sea levels. Former President Trump, you've vowed to end your opponent's climate initiatives. But will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis?

Trump
Let me just go back to what he said about the police, how close the police are to him. Almost every police group in the nation from every state is supporting Donald J. Trump. Almost every police group. And what he's done to the black population is horrible, including the fact that for 10 years he called him Super Predators. We can't, in the 1990s, we can't forget that Super Predators was his name and he called it to him. And they've taken great offense at it and now they see it happening. But when they see what I did for criminal justice reform and for the historically black colleges and universities where I funded them and got them all funded and the Opportunity Zones with Tim. As you know, Tim Scott was incredibly, did a great job, great senator from South Carolina. He came to me with the idea and it was a great idea. It's one of the most successful economic development acts ever in the country.

Trump
Opportunity zones and the biggest beneficiary are blacks, and that's why we have the best numbers with them. And maybe ever. They're saying ever. I read this morning, wherever the best numbers. He's lost much of the black population because he's done a horrible job for black people. He's also done a horrible job for Hispanics. But where do you see these millions of people pouring into our country and they're gonna take the jobs and it's already started and you haven't seen anything yet. It's a disaster. You've.

Bush
38 seconds left. President Trump, will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis? So.

Trump
I want absolutely immaculate clean water and I want absolutely clean air. And we had it. We had H2O. We had the best numbers ever. And we did, we were using all forms of energy, all forms, everything. And yet during my four years, I had the best environmental numbers ever. And my top environmental people gave me that statistic just before I walked on the stage. Actually.

Biden
I don't know where the hell he's been. The idea today that he said is true. I passed the most extensive climate change legislation and history, in history, we find ourselves, and by the way, black colleges, I came up with $15 billion for HBCUs, historic black universities, colleges, because they don't have those. They don't have the kind of contributors that they have to build these laboratories and all, like any black student is capable in college or doing any white student can do. They just have the money. But now they'll be able to get those jobs in high tech.

Biden
We're in a situation where the idea that he is can't claiming to have done something that had the cleanest water. He had not a thing in the environment. He out of the Paris peace accord, climate accord, I immediately joined it. Because if we reach for 1.5 degrees Celsius at any one point where there's no way back, the only existential threat to humanity, his climate change. And he didn't do a thing about it. He must undo all that I've done.

Trump
The Paris accord was gonna cost us a trillion dollars and China nothing and Russia nothing and India nothing. It was a rip off of the United States and I ended it because I didn't wanna waste that money because they treat us horribly. We were the only ones who was costing us money. Nobody else was saying it to it. And it was a disaster. But everything that he said just now, I'll give you an example.

Trump
I heard him say before insulin, I'm the one that got the insulin down for the seniors. I took care of the seniors. What he's doing is destroying all of our medical programs because the migrants coming in, they want everybody. And look, I have the biggest heart in the stage, I guarantee you that. And I want to take care of people. But we're destroying our country. They're taking over our schools, our hospitals, and they're gonna be taken over Social Security. He is destroying Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Biden
The idea is that we, in fact, we were the only ones of consequence. We're not members of the Paris accord. How can we do anything? We're not able, like the United States can't get this under control. One of the largest polluters in the world, number one, we're making significant progress. By 2035, we will have cut pollution in that. We have made significant progress and we continue to make progress. We set up a climate core for thousands of young people will learn how to deal with, just like the Peace Corps. And we're gonna, we're moving in directions that are gonna significantly change the elements of cause of pollution.

Biden
But the idea that he claims that he has the biggest heart up here and he's really concerned about pollution and about climate. I've not seen any indication of that. And by the way, with regard to prescription drugs, one company agreed that they would reduce the price to $35, which I was calling for one voluntarily. I make sure every company in the world, every pharmaceutical company cannot have to pay. And by the way.

Tapper
So every day millions of Americans struggle just to make ends meet. For many older Americans, Social Security provides a critical lifeline. President Biden, if nothing is done to Social Security, seniors will see their benefits cut in just over 10 years. Will you name tonight one specific step that you're willing to take to keep Social Security solvent?

Biden
Yes. Make them very wealthy. Began to pay their fresh share. Right now, everybody making under hundred seventy thousand dollars pay 6% of their income, of their paycheck every single time they get a paycheck from the time the first one they get when they're 18 years old. The idea that they're gonna, I'm like, I've been proposing that everybody, they pay, the millionaires pay 1% so no one after. I would not raise the cost of Social Security for anybody under $400,000. After that, it began to make, the wealthy began to pay their fair share by increasing from 1% beyond to be able to guarantee the program for life.

Tapper
So you still have 82 seconds left. Are there any other measures that you think that would be able to help keep Social Security solvent? Or is just, is that one enough? Well.

Biden
No, that one enough will keep it solvent. But the biggest thing I'll do if we defeat this man, because he wants to get rid of so security. He thinks there's plenty to cut in so security. He's wanna cut Social Security and Medicare both times. And that's what. And if you look at the program put forward by the House Republican caucus that he, I believe, supports is in fact, want to cut it as well. The idea that we don't need to protect our seniors is ridiculous. We put, we, and by the way, American public has greater healthcare coverage today than ever before. And on the AC, as I said, you're in a circumstance where 400,000 people, 400, I mean, 40 million people would not have insurance because they have a pre existing condition. Only allows them to have that insurance is the fact that they in fact are part of the ACA. And by the way, the other thing is when a situation where I talk about education for black communities, I've raised the number, the amount of money for Pell Grants another $8,000. Anybody make another $70,000 a year gonna be able to get $15,000 toward the tuition. He just had notice. Thank.

Tapper
You, President Biden. President Trump.

Trump
So I've dealt with politicians all my life. I've been on this side of the equation for the last eight years. I've never seen anybody lie like this guy. He lies. I've never seen that. He could look you in the face. So many other things, too. And we mentioned the laptop. We mentioned Russia, Ukraine. If everything he does is a lie, it's misinformation and disinformation, the losers and story that he made up as a total lie on the military, it's a disgrace. But Social Security, he's destroying it because millions of people are pouring into our country and they're putting amount to Social Security, they're putting amount to Medicare medicate, they're putting them in our hospitals. They're taking the place of our citizens there. What they're doing to the VA, to our veterans is unbelievable. Our veterans are living in the street and these people are living in luxury hotels. He doesn't know what he's doing. And it's really coming back. I've never seen such anger in our country before.

Tapper
President Biden.

Biden
The idea veterans are not being taken care of, I told you before, by the way, when I said and losers, he said, he acknowledged after that he fired that general, that journal got fired because he's the one that acknowledged. That's what he said. He was the one standing with Trump when he said it, number one.

Biden
No. 2, the idea that we're gonna be in a situation where all these millions and millions, the way he talks about it, illegal aliens are coming into the country and taking away our jobs. There's a reason why we have the fastest growing economy in the world. The reason why we have most successful economy in the world, we're doing better than any other nation in the world. And by the way, those 15 Nobel laureates you talked about being phony. Those 15 Nobel lawyers, economist, they all said that if Trump is reelected or elected to have a recession and inflation is gonna increasingly go up. And by the way, worst president history. Hundred, 59 Presidential Scholars voted him the worst president in the history United States America.

Tapper
President Biden, thank you so much. Let's turn to the cost of childcare, which many American families struggle to afford. President Trump, both you and President Biden have tried to address this issue. But the average cost of childcare in this country has risen to more than $11,000 a year per child for many families, the cost of childcare for two children is more than their rent in your second term, what would you do to make childcare more affordable?

Trump
Jessie, go back. The general got fired because he was no good. And if he said that, that's why he made it up. But we have 19 people that said, I didn't say it, and they're very highly respected, much more so than him. The other thing is he doesn't fire people. He never fired people. I've never seen him fire anybody. I did fire a lot. I fired Comey cuz he was no good. I fired a lot of the top people at the FBI. Drain the swamp. They were no good. Not easier for our people. You'd pay a price for it. But they were no good. I inherited these people. I didn't put him that didn't put, call me there. He was no good. I fired him. This guy hasn't fired anybody. He never fired, he should have fired every military man that was involved with that afghan, the Afghanistan horror show, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. Did, he didn't fire, did you fire anybody? Did you fire anybody that's on the border that's allowed us to have the worst border in the history of the world? Did anybody get fired for allowing 18 million people, many from prisons, many from mental institutions. Did you fire anybody that allowed our country to be destroyed? Joe, our country is being destroyed as you and I sit up here and waste a lot of time on this debate, this shouldn't be a debate. He is the worst president. He just said about me because I said it. But look, he's the worst president in the history of our country. He's destroyed our country. Now all of a sudden he's trying to get a little tough on the border. He come out, came out with a nothing deal and it reduced it a little bit like this much. It's insignificant. He wants open voters. He wants our country to either be destroyed or he wants to pick up those people as voters. And I don't think, we just can't let it happen. If he wins this election, our country doesn't have a chance, not even a chance of coming out of this rut. We probably won't have a country left anymore. That's how bad it is. He's the worst in history by far.

Tapper
Thank you, President Trump, President Biden.

Biden
We are the most admired country in the world. With the United States of America, there's nothing beyond our capacity. We have the finest military in the history of the world, the finest in the history of the world.

Biden
No one thinks we're weak. No one wants to screw around with us. Nobody, number one. Number two, the idea that we're talking about worst presidents, I wasn't joking. Look it up. Go online, 159 or 58? Don't have an exact number. Presidential historians, they've had meetings and they voted. Who is the worst president in American history, one through best to worst. They said he was the worst in all of American history. That's a fact. That's not a, that's not conjecture. He can argue the wrong, but that's what they voted.

Biden
The idea that he is knowing doing anything to deal with childcare. If he did very for virtually nothing to childcare, we should significantly increase the childcare tax credit. We should significantly increase the availability of women and men of single parents to be able to go back to work, and we should encourage businesses to hold, to have.

Tapper
Thank you, president. About President Trump, the question was about what would you do to make childcare more affordable. If you want to take your minute.

Trump
Just you understand we have polling, we have other things that do. They rate him the worst because what he's done is so bad. And they me. I'll show you. I will show you. And they me. One of the best.

Trump
Okay? And if I'm given another four years, I will be the best. I think I'll be the best. Nobody's ever created an economy like us. Nobody ever cut taxes like us. He's the only one I know. He wants to raise your taxes by four times. He wants to raise everybody's taxes by four times. He wants to Trump tax cuts to expire. So everybody. Including the two of you, are gonna pay 4 to 5 times. Nobody ever heard of this before.

Trump
All my life, I grow up and I see politicians talking about cutting taxes. When we cut taxes, as I said, we did more business. Apple, at all these companies, they were bringing money back into our country. The worst president in history by far, and everybody knows it.

Tapper
President Biden.

Biden
Look, fact of the matter is that he's dead wrong about, he's increased the terror. He's increased, he will increase the taxes on middle class people. I said I'd never raise a tax about anybody. I'm making less than $400,000. I didn't. But this tariff is 10% tariffs. Everything coming in the country. You know what, they're kind of say that's gonna cost the average American $2,500 a year more because they're gonna have to pay the difference in food and all the things that are very important.

Biden
No. 2, he's in a situation where he talks about how he is not raised. He's somehow helped the middle class have been devastated by you. Now you want a new tax code of $5 trillion over the next 10 years, which is gonna fundamentally bankrupt the country. You have the largest deficit of any president American history, No. 1. No. 2, you have not, in fact, made any contact, any progress with China. We are the lowest trade deficit with China since 2,010. Thank you.

Tapper
President Biden. Thank you, President Bide. Let's introduce, let's discuss an epidemic impacting millions of Americans that both of you have made a top priority in your first term, the opioid crisis. And for both of you, the number of overdose deaths in this country has gone up under your term. It went up under your term. It has gone up. A former President Trump. Despite the efforts that both of you have made, more than 100,000 Americans are dying from overdoses every year, primarily from fentanyl and other opioids. What will you do to help Americans right now in the throes of addiction who are struggling to get the treatment they need.

Trump
To finish up. He. We now have the largest deficit in the history of our country under this guy. We have the largest deficit with China. He gets paid by China. He's a Manchurian candidate. He gets money from China. We have. So I think he's afraid to deal with him or something. But do you notice he never took out my tariffs because we bring in so much money with the tariffs that I impose on China. He never took him away. He can't because it's too much money. It's tremendous. And we saved our steel industries and there was more to come. But he hasn't done that. But he hasn't cut the tariffs because he can't, because it's too much money. But he's got the largest deficit in the history our con, of our country. And he's got the worst situation with China. China is gonna own us if you keep allowing them to do what they're doing to us as a country. They are killing us as a country, Joe, and you can't let that happen. You're destroying our country.

Tapper
So President Trump, you have 67 seconds left. The question was, what are you gonna do to help Americans in the throes of addiction right now who are struggling to get the treatment they need.

Trump
Jake, we were doing very well at addiction until the Covid came along. We had the two and a half, almost three years of like nobody's ever had before any country in every way. And then we had to get tough. And it was the drugs pouring across the border where it started to increase. We got great equipment. We bought the certain dog that's the most incredible thing that you've ever seen, the way they can spot it. We did a lot and we had, we were getting very low numbers, very low numbers. Then he came along. The numbers, have you seen the numbers now? It's not only the 18 million people that I believe is even low because they got a ways, they don't even talk about getaways. But the numbers of the amount of drugs and in women coming across our border, the worst thing I've ever seen at numbers that nobody's ever seen under him because the border so bad. But the number of drugs coming across our border now is the largest we've ever had by far.

Tapper
President Trump, thank you, President Biden.

Biden
Fentanyl and byprice. Fentanyl went down for a while. And I wanted to make sure we use the machinery that can detect fentanyl, these big machines that roll over everything that comes across the border. And it cost a lot of money. That was part of this deal we put together, this bipartisan deal, more fentanyl machines, more be able to detect drugs, more numbers of agents, more numbers of all the people at the border. And when we had that deal done, he went, he called his Republican colleagues and don't do it. It's gonna hurt me politically. Now, he never argued it's not a good Bill. It's a really good Bill. We need those machines, and we're coming down very hard in every country in Asia in terms of precursors for fentanyl. And Mexico is working with us to make sure they don't have the technology to be able to put it together. That's what we have to do. We need those machines.

Tapper
Thank you, President Biden, President Trump. And again, the question is about Americans and the throws of addiction right now struggling to get the treatment they need. Well.

Trump
This consists pertain it to it. He ended remain in Mexico. He ended catch and release. I made a catch and release in Mexico, not catch and release here. We had so many things that we had done, hard negotiations with Mexico and I got it off and nothing.

Trump
It's just like when you have a hostage, we always pay $6 billion for a host every time we says a hostage. Now we have a hostage. A Wall Street Journal reporter, I think a good guy, and he's over there because Putin is laughing at this guy, probably asking for billions of dollars for the reporter. I will have him out very quickly, as soon as I take office. Before I take office, I said by literally as soon as I win the election, I will have that reporter out. He should have had him out a long time ago. But Putin's probably asking for billions and billions of dollars because this guy pays it every time. We had two cases. We paid $6 billion for five people. I got 58 people out and I paid essentially nothing.

Tapper
Thank you, President Trump. Dana.

Bush
Let's turn to concerns that voters have about each of you. President Biden, you would be 86 at the end of your second term. How do you address concerns about your capability to handle the toughest job in the world well into your 80s.

Biden
Well, first of all, I spent half my career being criticized being the youngest person in politics. I was the second youngest person ever elected United States Senate. And now I'm the oldest. This guy is three years younger and a lot less confident. I think that just look at the record. Look at what I've done. Look, I've turned around the horrible situation you left me.

Biden
As I said, 50 million new jobs, 800,000 manufacturing jobs. More investment in America, over million, billions of dollars in private investment in enterprises that we are growing. We, by the way, we brought off a lot of people. The whole idea of computer chips. We set 40% of the market. We invented those chips and we lost it because he was sending people to cheap, to find the cheapest jobs overseas and then bring home a product. So I went to South Korea, I convince Samsung to invest billions of dollars here in the United States. And there, guess what, those fabs, they call that, those fabs pay over $100,000. You don't need a college degree for them. And there's billions, about $40 billion already being invested and being built right now in the United States, creating significant jobs for Americans all over the, from all over the world.

Bush
President Biden, you have 40 seconds left. Would you like to add anything? Yeah, I.

Biden
Would. The idea that somehow we are this failing country, I never heard a president talk like this before. We were, the NBA were like naming a single major country president who wouldn't trade places with the United States America, for all our problems and all our opportunities, we're the most progressive country in the world and getting things done. We're the strongest country in the world. We're a country in the world who keeps our word. And everybody trusts us, all of our allies and our, and our op and our, those who he calls up to, from Kim Jiang Young, he says love letters to a Putin, etc. They don't wanna screw around with us.

Bush
Thank you. Former President Trump to follow up, you would be 82 at the end of your second term. What do you say to voters who have concerns about your capabilities to serve? Well.

Trump
I took two tests, cognitive tests. I ace them. Both of them, as you know, at we made it public, he took none. I'd like to see him take one. Just one. A really easy one, like go through the first five questions. You couldn't do it.

Trump
But I took two cognitive tests. I took physical exams every year. And, you know, we, knock on wood wherever we may have wood that I'm in very good health. I just want two club championships, not even senior, two regular club championships. To do that, you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way, and I do it. He doesn't do it. He can't hit the ball 50 yards. He challenged me to a golf match. He can't hit about 50 yards.

Trump
I think I'm in very good shape. I feel that I'm is in good shape as I was 25,30 years ago. Actually, I'm probably a little bit lighter, but I'm in as good a shape as I was years ago. I feel very good. I feel the same.

Trump
But I took, I was willing to take a cognitive test. And you know what if I didn't do well, I ace them. Doctor Ronnie Jackson, who's a great guy, when he was White House doctor. And then I took another one, a similar one, and both one of them said they'd never seen anybody. ASM, thank you.

Bush
President Biden.

Biden
You can see he is 6 foot 5 and only 200. 23rd pounds or 20,35 pounds? Well, you said 6 four, 200. So anyway, that's it. You, anyway, just take a look at what he says he is and take a look at what he is. Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest in them. I got my handicap, which when I was vice president, down to a six. And, but by the way, I told you before, I'm happy to play golf if you carry on bag, think you can do it.

Trump
That's the biggest line is a 6 handicap of all.

Biden
How is it eight handicap. Yeah, eight. But I have, you know how many.

Trump
I've seen? This way. I know this way. Let's not act like children.

Bush
To a specific concern that voters have about you. Will you pledge tonight that once all legal challenges have been exhausted, that you will accept the results of this election regardless of who wins. And you will say right now that political violence in any form is unacceptable?

Trump
Well, I shouldn't have to say that, but of course, I believe that it's totally unacceptable. And if you would see my statements that I made on Twitter at the time and also my statement that I made in the Rose Guard, you would say it's one of the strongest statements you've ever seen.

Trump
In addition to this speech I made in front of, I believe, the largest crowd I've ever spoken to. And I will tell you, nobody ever talks about that. They talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the capital and in many cases were ushered in by the police.

Trump
And as Nancy Pelosi said, it was her responsibility, not mine. She said that loud and clear. But the answer is, if the election is fair, free, and I want that more than anybody. And I'll tell you something, I wish he was a great president because I wouldn't be here right now. I'd be at one of my many places enjoying myself. I wouldn't be under indictment because I wouldn't have been his political appoint, you know, a opponent because he indicted me because I was his opponent. I wish he was a great president. I would rather have that. I wouldn't be here. I don't mind being here.

Trump
But the only reason I'm here is he's so bad as a president that I'm gonna make America great again. We're gonna make America great again. We're a failing nation right now. We're seriously failing nation. And we're failing nation because of him. His policies are so bad. His military policies are insane. They're insane. These are wars that will never end with him. He will drive us into World War 3. And we're closer to World War 3 then anybody can imagine. We are very close to World War 3, and he's driving us there. And Kim Jong Un and President Xi of China, Kim Jong Un of North Korea, all of these are putent. They don't respect him. They don't fear him. They have nothing going with this gentleman. And he's gonna drive us into World War 3.

Biden
You want a World War 3? Let him follow and win and let put him say, do what you want, NATO. Just do what you want. There's a thing called Article 5, an attack on one is attack on all and required response. The idea, I can't think of a single major leader in the world who wouldn't trade place with the job I've done, what they've done, because we are a powerful nation. We have wonderful peace because of the people. That means because of the American people, they're capable of anything and they step up when they're needed. And right now, we're needed to protect the world because that, our own safety is a state.

Biden
And again, you wanna have a war, just let Putin go ahead and take Eve, make sure they move on. See what happens in Poland, Hungary and other places along that border. Then you have a war.

Bush
President Trump, as I come back to you for a follow up, the question was, will you accept the results of this election regardless of who wins?

Trump
Just to finish what he said, if I might, Russia, they took a lot of land from Bush. They took a lot of land from Obama and Biden. They took no land, nothing from Trump, nothing he knew not to do it, not gonna play games with me. He knew that I got along with him very well, but he knew not to play games. He took nothing from me. But now he's gonna take the whole thing from this man right here. That's a word that should have never started it. Would have never started ever with me. And he's going to take Ukraine. And, you know, you ask me a question before, would you do this with, he's got us in such a bad position right now with Ukraine and Russia because Ukraine is not winning that war.

Trump
He said, I will never settle until such time they're running out of people. They're running out of soldiers. They've lost so many people. It's so sad. They've lost so many people and they've lost those gorgeous cities with the golden domes that are 1,000 years old, all because of him and stupid decisions. Russia would have never attacked.

Bush
If I would. The question was, will you accept the results of the election regardless of who wins? Yes or no, please?

Trump
If it's a fair and legal and good election, absolutely. I would have much rather accepted these. But the fraud and everything else was ridiculous. And if you want, we'll have a news conference on it in a week. I will have another one of these in a week. But I will absolutely, there's nothing I'd rather do. It would be much easier for me to do that.

Trump
Then I'm running again. I wasn't really going to run until I saw the horrible job he did. He's destroying our country. I would be very happy to be someplace else in a nice location someplace. And again, no indictments, no political opponent stuff, because it's the only way he thinks he can win. But unfortunately, it's driven up by numbers and driven up to a very high level because the people understand it.

Biden
Let's see what your numbers are and the selection is over. Let's see. You're a whiner when you lost the first time. You see, you continued. You appealed and appealed the courts all across the country. Not one single court in America said any of your claims at any merit, state or local, none. But you continue to provoke this lie about somehow there is all this misrepresentation, all this stealing. There is no evidence of that at all. And I tell you what, I doubt what you'll accept it because you're such a whiner. The idea if you lose again, you're accepting anything. You can't stand the loss. Something snapped in your loss last time.

Bush
We'll be right back with more from the CNN presidential debate live from Georgia.

Tapper
It is now time for the candidates to deliver their closing statements as predetermined by a coin toss. We're gonna begin with you, President Biden. You have two minutes.

Biden
We've made significant progress from the debacle that was left by President Trump and his last term. We find ourselves in a situation where, number one, we have to make sure that we have a fair attack system. I ask anyone out there in the audience, have anyone out watching this debate, do you think the tax system is fair? The fact is that I said nobody even making under $400,000 had a single penny increase in their taxes and will not. And if I'm reelected, that will be the case again.

Biden
But this guy is, has increased your taxes because of the deficit, number one. He's increased inflation because of the debacle he left after where he handled the pandemic. And he finds himself in a position where he now wants to tax you more by putting a 10% tariff and everything comes in the United States.

Biden
America. What I did when, for example, he wants to get away with you get rid of the ability of Medicare to, for the ability to, for the US to be able to negotiate drug price with the big pharma companies. Well, guess what? We got it down to 15,$35, for instance, instead of $400. No more than $2,000 for MH senior, no matter what time, how much prescription they need. You know what that is? That reduced the federal debt as debt by $160 billion over 10 years because the government doesn't have to pay the exorbitant prices. I'm gonna make that available to every senior.

Biden
All of the longer is happening now and everybody in America, he wants to get rid of that. We have, I'm gonna make sure that we have childcare. We're gonna significantly increase the credits people have for childcare. I'm going to make sure we do something about what we're doing on lead pipes and all the things that are causing health problems for people across the country. We're gonna continue to fight to bring down inflation and give people a break.

Tapper
Thank you, President Biden. President Trump, you now have two minutes for your closing statement.

Trump
Like so many politicians, this man is just a complainer. He said, we wanna do this, we wanna do that, we wanna get rid of this tax, that tax. But he doesn't do anything. He doesn't do only does this make our country unsafe by allowing millions and millions of people to pour in. Our military doesn't respect him. We look like fools in Afghanistan. We didn't stop Israel. It was such a horrible thing that would have never happened. It should have never happened. Iran was broke. Anybody that did business with Iran, including China, they couldn't do business with the United States. They all passed. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah, fetera. No money whatsoever. Again, Ukraine should have never happened.

Trump
He talks about all the stuff, but he didn't do it for three and a half years. We're living in hell. We have the Palestinians and we have everybody else riding all over the place.

Trump
You talk about Charlottesville. This is 100 times Charlottesville, 1,000 times. The whole country is exploding because of you. Because they don't respect you and they have to respect their president and they don't respect you throughout the world. What we did was incredible. We rebuilt the military. We got the largest tax cut in history, the largest regulation cut in history. The reason he's got jobs is because I cut the regulations that gave jobs. But he's putting a lot of those regulations back on. All of the things that we've done, nobody's ever, never seen anything like even from a medical standpoint, right, to try, where we can try space age materials instead of going to Asia or going to Europe and trying to get, when you're terminally ill now you can go and you can get something. You sign a document. They've been trying to get it for 42 years. But, you know, what we did for the military was incredible choice for our soldiers, where our soldiers, instead of waiting for three months to see a doctor, can go out and get themselves fixed up and readied up and take care of themselves and they're living. And that's why I had the highest approval rating in the history of the VA. So all of these things, we're in a failing nation, but it's not gonna be failing anymore. We're gonna make it great again.

Bush
Thank you, former President Trump, President Biden. Stay with us because we have full analysis of this debate. Anderson Cooper and Aaron Burnett starts now on CNN.